I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. "It's a blur of emotion." Twelve years older, she became obsessed with him. It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. Each decision is subject to appeal. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. But Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. This is a fantastic book. The film doesn't mention what consequences Jusitce Gail Welsh faced for allowing Shirley Turner to walk free. David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? I just want to get through medical school.'. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. to reconsider getting some help with that. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. Serious crime is rare in this country. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. Save 50% on 1 when you buy 2 Shop items. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! Highly recommended. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. David reacted with anger. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. get in there, if that's what she demanded. This year is different. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. Very, very serious. Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. We don't--we don't gush very much. It would take two weeks. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. Zachary was learning some words well, words he understood that Kate and David were sure they understood, too. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. This book just reinforces the obliviousness and callousness of " the system" towards victims and its sick preoccupation with criminals' rights. She picked Zachary up and wandered for an hour or more along coastal roads and paths. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. fc-falcon">kate and david bagby still alive sms online empfangen neue nummer June 1, 2022. One of the best books that I have ever read. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. I can only imagine this book to be heartbreaking. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. If one thinks the American justice system is slow moving and against the victim most times, then one should encounter the Canadian justice system. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. I would really like for you and Kate. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. Spent casings matched Turner's handgun and a witness saw a car similar to hers parked next to Andrew's car. And thus the decision from which all else followed. I had this overwhelming feeling. Sheers asked Turner to move out, which she did, but not before selling his computer and taking his camcorder with her. They held their breath. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. Do you understand? They have the memory of their son, Andrew, and the memory of his son, Zachary. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. Meeting her at 6. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. I'll never understand why. The rest of the documentary describes the fallout of Zachary's death, but for his family and for the judicial system. Being from Newfoundland,I was well aware of the happenings in this book as they were happening. When I was growing up, she just seemed like just a normal mom, Sheers, 24, says. I wanted to read this book because I saw a snippet on MSNBC or one of those late night shows, (about the last 7-10 minutes of the show) that was actually the television version of what had taken place back in 2001. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. Kate and David married five months later. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. will not hurt Zachary, period. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. If you dont believe that, you need only follow the Bagbys lives over the past five years. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. The movie had me in tears and in rage all at once. And that always radiated through the house.. We finally got a baby.. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. The Bagbys were confident Turner would be returned to Pennsylvania for trial in a matter of weeks. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. He was such a good baby. kind of panic sets in, I guess. This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. So I gave her the. Mommy misses you. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. But that is what the Bagbys. The murder-suicide was a huge news story in Canada. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. She was born to the late th MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. I don't think I could have done what they did. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. After helping Kurt Kuene with his documentary Dear Zachary: A Letter from a father to his Son I was honored that David Bagby sent me his book as a thank you. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. It's. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. Did anybody want to take them? David says. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. Meanwhile, Turner had a new obsession. "They are appalled and outraged.". When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. Oh, my God. David Bagby. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". Love Me to Death: The Chilling True Story of WIlliam Wild Bill Cody NealThe Vicious Denver Lady-Killer, Bone Deep: Untangling the Betsy Faria Case, Goodbye, My Little Ones: The True Story of a Murderous Mother and Five Innocent Victims, At Any Cost: A Father's Betrayal, a Wife's Murder, and a Ten-Year War for Justice, The Unforgiven: The Untold Story of One Woman's Search for Love and Justice, Wilder Intentions: Love, Lies and Murder in North Dakota, Murder on Birchleaf Drive: The True Story of the Michelle Young Murder Case, A Stranger Killed Katy: The True Story of Katherine Hawelka, Her Murder on a New York Campus, and How Her Family Fought Back, Deadly Dose: The Untold Story of a Homicide Investigator's Crusade for Truth and Justice, Reviewed in the United States on March 25, 2021. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). She eventually kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Andrew came to St. John's. I just would love to see them enjoy regular life again, too, as much as possible. Suddenly, the Bagbys were appointed Zachary's main carers. I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. I rarely give anything a perfect score, but the reason I'm not this time is simply because it was too sad. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. I couldn't see the point anymore. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. Please try again. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. But how? MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. No question. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. did. "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? Than they are able to see a light at the end of the tunnel when she announces she is pregnant with Andrew Bagby's child, to be named Zachary. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? The. On Nov. 3, Andrew drove Turner to the Arnold Palmer Regional Airport. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 4, 2017. i read this after seeing the amazing documentary and still felt the rage of the incredible injustice of it all whilst reading it. And that was midafternoon. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. Tragic doesn't even come close to describing this case. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. Apparently it takes years to extradite criminals from Canada back to the USA, and despite being wanted for a vicious murder Dr. Turner was granted bail (unlike in the USA nobody had to put any actual money up to guarantee Turner's release, all she needed to gain her freedom was talk a few friends into signing paperwork, despite being wanted for a brutal murder!) And it was the happiest they had been since the days before their son was murdered. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. Well written from the heart and to the point. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. The Bagby's lived a nightmare that no person should ever have to go through and I admire their courage and strength. His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. Help contribute to IMDb. They moved to Newfoundland to give the legal battle their full attention but Turner remained at large. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. Very powerful story, artfully told. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. Canadian authorities arrested Turner in early December 2001, but fatefully, released her on bail as she waited for a series of decisions regarding Pennsylvanias request for extradition. Why didn't the many people who witnessed Shirley Turner's disturbing behavior and intense wrath make an issue in the courts more of it? Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. Newfoundland MP Scott Andrews introduced the private member's bill to reform bail provisions. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Andrews said he was inspired to act two years ago when he saw the documentary film Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. When they pulled up at Turners place, the mother slipped Zachary out of his car seat. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. He was jolly.. The Fridays he and a classmate from Bellarmine College Preparatory would come home early and fix dinner in that kitchen. I kind of. There are so many questions raised:why was there no psychological profile done on Turner as she awaited trial?Why did child protection services not do their job and protect ( or even follow closely) Zachary? As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. Something went wrong, please try again later. It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. 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